人們經(jīng)常把史蒂夫?喬布斯當(dāng)作前瞻型CEO的典范。和蘋果這樣的企業(yè)相比，華為在組織結(jié)構(gòu)方面有哪些優(yōu)勢和劣勢？

????我們的管理模式相當(dāng)新穎。實際上，它來自一本書中的想法。這本書叫《會飛的水?！罚‵light of the Buffalo），作者是美國人（詹姆斯?比拉斯科和拉斐爾?斯特耶）。書中的理論和遷徙鳥類如何飛越大西洋有關(guān)——它們總是排成人字型，但帶頭的并不總是同一只鳥。也就是說它們會更換位置，輪流帶領(lǐng)整支隊伍飛越海洋。我覺得，不管是我們提到的蘋果，還是其他公司，它們都有各自的管理結(jié)構(gòu)。

這種輪值CEO制度是華為的長期安排嗎？還是說這僅僅是一個接班人計劃?

????我剛才說過，我們?nèi)ツ瓴艈⒂眠@項制度。我覺得我們需要更多時間來觀察它的效果。

你說過貴公司希望更加透明。你們正在采取哪些措施來提高透明度和開放度？特別是針對美國而言？

????一直保持開放和透明是我們的既定政策。人們可能不知道，從2000年開始我們就一直和畢馬威（KPMG）合作。畢馬威是華為的全球?qū)徲嫏C(jī)構(gòu)，負(fù)責(zé)審核華為的財報。你可以從華為網(wǎng)站上下載去年和前年的年報。我們也召開年度分析師會議。在我們的年報中，你可以看到華為的治理結(jié)構(gòu)、董事會成員，包括其簡歷，還能看到我們的業(yè)務(wù)增長近況和其他重要信息。華為不是上市公司，但我們決心遵循上市公司的準(zhǔn)則和標(biāo)準(zhǔn)。借這個機(jī)會，我想來進(jìn)一步解釋一下我們?yōu)槭裁礇]有上市。在中國，股東人數(shù)超過200名的公司沒辦法上市。我們知道中國政府正在著手制定非上市公司規(guī)范。據(jù)我所知，美國證券交易委員會（SEC）在谷歌（Google）的股東人數(shù)達(dá)到500名時曾要求該公司上市。中國的公司法仍在制定中。但就未來而言，我們不排除任何可能性?，F(xiàn)在華為的員工股東已經(jīng)超過6萬名（最新數(shù)據(jù)：根據(jù)華為提供的信息，該公司現(xiàn)有7.42萬名員工股東）。

我之前的印象是華為所有的員工都是股東。這么看來貴公司15萬名員工并不人人都是股東？

????對。但所有股東確實都是員工。

并非所有員工都持股，但所有股東都在華為上班？

????實際上，期權(quán)就是我從美國引進(jìn)到華為的。我曾在美國見過兩家咨詢公司。他們告訴我們，初始階段每個人都可以當(dāng)股東，因為我們需要有現(xiàn)金流。因此，在華為轉(zhuǎn)入發(fā)展階段后，只有那些骨干和關(guān)鍵成員才會成為股東。我們還把員工分為不同的類別。你會發(fā)現(xiàn)工程部門員工的持股比例非常高?，F(xiàn)在，我們自我定位是正處于第二階段，發(fā)展階段。

那么接下來是什么階段？

????接下來將是成熟階段，但我們希望自己一直處于發(fā)展階段。（財富中文網(wǎng)）

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Steve Jobs is often used as an example for a visionary CEO. What are the advantages and disadvantages to your structure versus a company like Apple?

????Our management model is quite new, but actually it comes from an idea from a book written by an American author, called Flight of the Buffalo [the book was written by James A. Belasco and Ralph C. Stayer]. The theory of that book is about how migrant birds fly across the Atlantic Ocean -- they always fly in a V-shape but the lead of the team is not always the same bird. So they change and rotate to lead the whole team across the ocean. So I think for every company whether we talk about Apple or others they have their own different governing structure.

Is this rotating CEO structure seen as a long-term arrangement for Huawei, or is this just a succession plan?

????Like I said we only started this system last year. I think we need more time to observe how it works.

You've said that you want to be more transparent. What steps are you taking to be more transparent and more open, especially when it comes to the U.S.?

????It is our established policy to continually be open and transparent. You might not know that since 2000 we have been working with KPMG; they are our global auditor to review our reports. And you can also download our annual report for last year and the year before last on our site. We also have our annual analyst meeting. In the annual report you can also find our governance structure and also our members of the board, including their CVs and also an update of our business growth and other important information. We are not a listed company, but we are determined to follow the criteria and standards of a listed company. I would like to take this opportunity to say something more about why we are not listed. In China, if a company has more than 200 shareholders there is no solution for a company like that to be listed. And we know that the Chinese government is also taking initiative to establish regulations related to non-listed companies. I know that when the number of shareholders of Google (GOOG) reached 500, then the SEC required them to go public. So in China the company law is still in the process. But for the future we do not exclude any possibility. Now we have more than 60,000 employee shareholders. [Update: According to Huawei, the company now has 74,200 employee shareholders.]

I was under the impression that all employees were shareholders. So not all of your 150,000 employees are shareholders?

????You are right. It is true that all of the shareholders are employees.

Not all employees are shareholders but all shareholders are employees?

????Actually I was the very person to introduce the stock options from the U.S. I visited two consulting firms in the U.S. They told us that in the initial phase everyone could be shareholders because we needed to have the cash flow. So when the company shifted into the development phase only the mainstay, key members of the company would be shareholders. And in Huawei we have different categories of employees. If you look at engineering groups they have a very big percentage of the shares. So now we position ourselves in the second phase, the development phase.

And what's the next phase?

????The next phase will be the mature phase, but we hope that we are always in the development phase.